Lyme Disease | Man Made? (Transcript)

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In the 1950s and the 1960s, all the way through the 1970s, a little island in the Long Island

Sound, right directly near Lyme, Connecticut, was a military institution that tested weapons of

mass destruction, possibly biological warfare, but we know that they were also doing tick

experiments, and maybe something completely went wrong, and today’s Tucker Carlson talks

about it, and it’s an interesting program to say the least. So without further ado, we’re going to

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episode. If you live in certain parts of this country, rural areas particularly, you know people

who have or who have had Lyme disease, and for some of them, maybe most, it’s not a huge

deal.

You go in, and you get a big dose of antibiotics. You have some symptoms, and then it seems to

go away, but for some percentage, and you may know these people too, it’s totally lifedestroying.

It’s years in bed.

It’s agony. It’s really the end of your productive life. So what is that exactly? What is Lyme

disease? Well, there’s still an active debate about that very basic question.

Some have dismissed it as a psychological symptom actually, but even people who

acknowledge that it’s a physical syndrome aren’t always very clear, and they’re certainly not in

agreement with one another about what it is or where it came from. So back in 2008, a woman

called Chris Newby produced a documentary about Lyme. At that point, it was becoming a very

serious global illness, and its origins were mysterious, unknown.

People whispered about it, but no one could be certain. That documentary was called Under

Our Skin. Here’s part of it.

Some infectious disease doctors, they don’t believe in Lyme, and they said that I was faking it

and pretending so I could get out of school. Lyme is the fastest growing infectious disease in

the country. 200,000 new cases a year, maybe even more.

It is a political disease and an economic disease as much as it is a bacterial-borne infection. I

would never, never have thought that something like a bacteriological infection can become so

politicized, the truth can be so brutally distorted. I go into despair daily.

I cry daily. I want to die daily. Well, when I saw this doctor, you know, he said, you’ve got a long

road ahead of you.

It’s not going to be easy. So that scared me. The unknown is pretty scary.

It is a national health crisis that is completely and totally being ignored and squashed. What is

going on? Well, you could write it off, and again, some have as a figment of your imagination,

but there are real neurological symptoms. And if you know anyone who’s had it, you know that

it’s entirely real.

So again, what is this? Well, Chris Newby has spent a lot of time thinking and researching on

this topic, has been affected personally by Lyme, is the author of Bitten, The Secret History of

Biological Weapons and Lyme Disease. And she joins us now. Chris Newby, thanks so much for

coming on.

So can you just give us a- Hey, thanks for inviting me here. Oh, absolutely. A quick and succinct

overview of what Lyme is.

So Lyme disease is caused by a spirochetal bacteria, and you get it through a tick bite. And if

you treat it immediately with doxycycline or amoxicillin, it will go away. The problem is it’s very

often misdiagnosed or diagnosed late, and that’s where the controversy comes in for the

disease.

It can linger for months to years, and then it’s really hard to get rid of. And to complicate it, a

tick can transmit up to like 20 different disease-causing microbes. And so if you have like two or

three or four of those in one tick bite, it creates a confusing set of symptoms that doctors have

trouble diagnosing.

So doctors can isolate, however, the organism that causes Lyme specifically. I mean, there’s no

mystery about where that comes from. Is that correct? Well, there are antibody tests for Lyme

disease.

It’s really, really hard to culture the, you know, take blood and culture it in a Petri dish. Yes. The

problem is the tests are not very reliable.

The Lyme disease antibody tests don’t usually work in the first month. It takes a while for your

body to develop antibodies to the level that they can be measured. And then later on, the tests

aren’t that great.

It’s no better than a coin flip because it just depends on what strain you have and what you’re,

if you’re really sick, you won’t produce antibodies. Interesting. So the problem with tick-borne

diseases is there are a lot more ticks than there have been in our lifetimes anyway.

Parts of the Northeast have seen an explosion in tick populations to the point where large

mammals are being decimated, sucked dry of blood and dying because they have too many

ticks on them. So that’s not anyone’s imagination. That’s measurable.

So if you have a disease that’s spread by ticks and there are a whole lot more ticks, you’re going

to get a whole lot more cases of the disease. Is this measured, measurable? Yes. And I would

say just the cases of Lyme disease are going up, which is proving that ticks are biting people.

The CDC estimates they’re half a million cases a year. That’s on average 1,300 people a day. So

that’s significant.

Now, why they’re spreading so quickly, I go into that in the book a little bit. I mean, there

certainly is global climate change, which means winters aren’t as severe and a lot of the ticks

don’t die off. That’s true in Maine.

And then part of it is people are moving into the woods and are exposed more to the ticks. Yes,

all true in Maine and other northern states. But it does raise the question, like how did this, I

mean, if you’re 75 years old, you did not grow up with Lyme disease.

If you’re 15 years old, you’re worried about Lyme disease. That’s a pretty short period. Where

do we think this came from? Well, the thing I found in my research for my book is Lyme disease

wasn’t a problem, a noticeable problem until the mid-70s.

And what my research said is that there are actually three really virulent tick-borne diseases

that showed up right around Lyme, Connecticut, at the mouth of the Connecticut River, which is

right across from Plum Island, which was the US’s anti-animal crop headquarters for the

Biological Weapons Program. So late 60s, the peak of the Biological Weapons Program in the

US, these three freaky diseases showed up. So that was Lyme arthritis caused by the spirochete.

There was Rickettsia, which is Rocky Mountain spotted fever. And then there was a cattle

parasite. It was the second time it was found in man in that area called Babesia.

And that’s actually, I got Lyme and Babesia, which can be fatal, and it’s a serious disease. So all

three, so you have a cluster, effectively, of these three previously rare diseases right across the

water from the US government’s biological weapons testing facility. Is that what you’re saying?

Yeah.

And it’s, if you’re like working for the CDC and on the lookout for natural versus unnatural

disease outbreaks, having three new tick-borne diseases show up, extra deadly disease-causing

than in the past, it would raise, it would get their attention and there would be investigations,

which is what happened. That sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory to me, just because you

have previously rare diseases show up all at once across from a biological weapons facility

doesn’t mean, so okay, so the CDC investigated this. What did they find? Well, it, a housewife in

Lyme, Connecticut, Polly Murray, was the first one to start documenting, and she started

pounding on the doors of local health departments in the CDC.

And it really took her seven years before the CDC responded and a doctor named Alan Steer

showed up and started, from Yale, he’s a CDC EIS officer and started investigating it. And he,

they, he figured out it was tick-borne, but he couldn’t figure out the causative agent. And at that

point, the US’s number one tick researcher, Willi Bergdorfer, a Swiss-American tick guy who was

in NIH’s Rocky Mountain Laboratory, came out to investigate.

And that’s where he found, I mean, the public-facing story is, he found the spirochete, it causes

this bullseye rash. He said, that’s what’s causing all the disease. And the panic should stop, just

take two weeks of doxycycline and the problem will go away.

But it didn’t. And that’s where my book took off. I started looking at the backstory and

wondering what really happened.

And people associated with that disease weren’t acting in the normal way. Normally, when you

discover a dangerous new disease, you say, oh, this is horrible, give us money, we’ll research it.

But instead, it just became more and more secretive.

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So is it your belief that Willie Bergdorfer, who I think is gone now, but knew

the truth about what happened? And what do you think is the truth? Well, I worked on the Lyme

disease documentary with fresh eyes because I didn’t know anything about the disease until my

husband and I got it

And the thing that was unusual is the symptoms set on the CDC website and in the medical

textbooks was totally different than what we had experienced. So then I teamed up with the

director, Andy Wilson, and we spent three and a half years researching the disease. And what

we found out is it was just an enormous epidemic.

So many people are suffering and the treatment recommended by public health, which was two

weeks of doxycycline wasn’t curing it. But these patients who went on to get the same

symptoms over and over again, were not given any more antibiotics. And then we wanted to

understand like what was going on with the disease.

So Andy and I called all the CDC people, the NIH people, they wouldn’t talk to us. Like one of the

original discoverers even hung up on me. I said, I just want someone to go on camera and talk

about how this disease, how this organism causes a disease.

But to have a professor who discovered the disease hang up on me, it was just unusual. There

was paranoia amongst the specialists. So what we did was we went out to see Willie Bergdorfer,

who was retired, the guy who discovered Lyme disease at his home.

And while we were setting up the cameras, someone from the lab knocked on the door and

says, I need to sit in on this interview. There’s things Willie can’t talk about. And the director was

outraged and kicked him out.

But during that interview, Willie intimated that there was more to Lyme disease than the public

health was letting on that the disease is not just a rash, highly neurological, especially

damaging for children. And two weeks of doxycycline doesn’t work. And they know it can go on

to be chronic.

So it was our first hard proof that something wasn’t as it seemed on the surface with Lyme

disease. And so we got the film out. And one thing, one of the aspects that we covered in the

film is just conflicts of interest in medicine, because right around the time Lyme disease was

discovered, researchers at universities, the CDC, the NIH, could share in the profits of a new

test or vaccine for a disease.

So there was a lot of, like a CDC employee could match their salary and royalties for a vaccine or

a test kit. So it corrupted the incentives in medicine, not to share information about a new

disease, but instead to save it as intellectual property so it can be monetized. So anyways, we

got the film out.

There were rumors swirling around about Plum Island and Lyme disease being a biological

weapon, but we had enough to cover with the patient story and the conflict story. And then I

was done with it. And I got a great job writing science for Stanford Medical School in the science

department.

And I was going to walk away and get on with my life. But then two things happened within the

space of a month. And I said, I can’t let this story go.

I just have to know what is really going on with this disease. And one was I met a CDC, I mean, a

CIA black ops guy who said in 1962, the weirdest thing he’d ever done in his whole crazy

apocalypse now career was dropping poison ticks on Cuban sugar cane workers. That was

Operation Mongoose.

So that was the first evidence that we had dropped ticks on a foreign country as a bioweapon.

And then the other thing is one of my filmmaker friends went out to Willie Burgdorfer and in a

very long interview, at the very end, he said, yeah, when I investigated the Lyme disease

sickness in the late 70s, early 80s, there was another organism there. It wasn’t just Lyme that

was making people sick.

It was. And I was told to cover it up. It was probably a Rickettsia.

He didn’t release all the information. But what he said was confirmed by copies of his lab books

and subsequent interviews that I had with him. And part of my ignorance, what is the disease

you described, the other one, Rickettsia? So it’s a Rickettsia.

It is the same organism that causes Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever. And that’s the most deadly

tick-borne disease in the United States. It also was a germ that was being weaponized by the US

military at the time.

And they tried to stuff it in ticks. I mean, so what is tick weaponization? So in the interviews with

Willie, what he said was, I spent over a decade in the biological weapons program, a contractor

to Fort Detrick, working on weaponizing fleas, ticks, and mosquitoes, trying to mass-produce

them, stuffing fleas with the plague, stuffing mosquitoes with deadly Trinidad virus. And then

stuffing ticks with either deadly or incapacitating diseases like relapsing fever, Venezuelan

equine encephalitis, rabies, leptospirosis, which is another spirochete.

So it’s just like Dr. Strangelove trying to make new diseases, mixing bacteria and virus in ticks

with the intent of, this is the perfect stealth weapon. It’s poor man’s nuke. You drop these

insects on an enemy, it weakens the population, it ties up the medical resources, but doesn’t

destroy infrastructure like a nuclear bomb would.

And in one report from a bean counter in the military, they said, tularemia, which is tick-borne

tularemia, also rabbit fever, we can kill 10,000 people at $1.33 a life. So anyways, it was just,

there was more to tick-borne diseases than we realized. And I began suspecting that Willie was

right, given this context.

It’s hard to digest all of this. It’s just so evil. It’s hard to believe it could happen in the United

States.

But I think you’re right that it did, and maybe still happening. Let me ask what you think

happened in the specific case of Lyme. So these kinds of experiments were taking place on

Plum Island, is that confirmed? Well, Plum Island only did animal diseases.

There was another branch, which was Maryland, Fort Detrick. They did anti-human weapons.

But I’m not sure exactly what got out where, because if you draw like a five mile circle around

Lyme, Connecticut, there’s Plum Island, there’s several military bases.

There are many pharmaceutical companies that were funded by the military to develop

treatments for these diseases. And so they would have to have the diseases on site. So that’s

my continuing research.

And there are a couple, well, first of all, back up, to weaponize a living system like a bug or the

germs in bugs, or later on in the 60s, they separated the germs and aerosolized them. They

would freeze dry them, powderize them, and then spray them. The plan was to spray them on

enemies from planes, or buoys, or vehicles.

So to develop a weapon like that, you have to have someone like Willy Burgdorfer, seeing if

they can get these living systems to work and develop the lethal dosage of those organisms.

Then you have to do pilot studies that usually could happen in Connecticut or at Fort Detrick in

Maryland. And then there would be larger studies, and that would be at like Dugway Proving

Grounds in Utah.

So there was a lot of leak points for any accidents that could have happened in this biological

weapons program. So what Willy said, and I think he’s a really credible witness because he had

the most to lose by admitting towards the end of his life, that I covered up something really

important, and now I feel guilty about it. All his fame came at 56 when he discovered Lyme

disease.

So what he said is, and he wouldn’t give me the details of the organism that was the

bioweapon, but he said accidents happened. So my continuing work is to try and figure out,

okay, where was the leak? And most crucially, why were there multiple tick-borne diseases in

that very, very small spot? Also, there were some in Northern Wisconsin where we had a

biological weapons, that’s the anti-crop area in the genetic engineering area of the bioweapons

program. So what I sort through in documents and grants and newspapers.com, were there

century die-offs of animals and people that are hidden there? Because the biological weapons

program was as secret as the Manhattan program, and a lot of the documents were destroyed

after the program was canceled in 72.

I have to say one of the most outrageous open-air experiments, which I think contributed to the

problem around Lyme, Connecticut, is Coastal Virginia, a tick researcher had an army contract

and a contract with the Atomic Energy Commission. And he was testing lone star ticks as a

potential weaponized organism. And the thing about lone star ticks is they were from the

South, originally identified them in Texas, below the Mason-Dixon line.

But here he was on the Mason-Dixon line, testing by the hundreds of thousands, a non-native

tick. And he wanted to see how far they can creep in months to years, because if you’re

weaponizing it, you would want to know that information. So from Willie Burgdorfer in

Montana, he got some pregnant ticks.

So they are called gravid ticks, but they have 2,000 to 4,000 eggs inside of them. He would inject

them with a radioactive isotope. The ticks would hatch all their larval babies, and then they

would be radioactive for life.

So, first of all, if you’re going to release them in nature, is it going to cause mutations in the

organisms inside their gut? But anyways, what he would do is he’d take 1,000 ticks and put

1,000 per grid in a marshy field. And then he and his assistants would go out every month.

They’d use a Geiger counter to figure out how far the ticks had creeped in that amount of time.

And then write studies on them, which are actually in the public domain. But this is an open-air

test on the Atlantic Bird Flyway, 1966, 67, 68. And sure enough, after those tests ended, there

was an unusual epidemic on Long Island of Rocky Mountain spotted fever, which is spread by

those kind of ticks.

A lot of people died, usually on Long Island. In the late 60s, there would be one death a year.

But after this experiment, like over 100 people, gravely ill, quite a few deaths.

And actually, that’s why Willie Bergdorfer came out, is to try and figure out what happened

there. So the point is, this is just one experiment we know about in the biological weapons

program. And why does it matter now? Because human hubris, we can’t control nature.

And if we’re gonna play God and make these new germs inside ticks, and then release them,

there could be blowback, unintended consequences. And that’s what I believe. This thing that

we call Lyme disease, which could be multiple organisms that are making people sick.

But no, for some reason, the government said, it’s only this one spirochete, it can be cured with

two weeks of antibiotics. And I think that’s fundamentally untrue.

Well, there’s another

breaking story by Tucker Carlson that you just don’t get anywhere else, but his show and now

The Plain Truth.

But again, I keep saying our government is lying to us. Our government is our enemy. And our

government is killing us.

And it’s about time we as a people take our government back before it’s too late. I know the

fate of the United States of America, according to the Bible, and we’ve gone over that on The

Plain Truth today. But I’m also saying that we can hold these things back if we take the bull by

the horns and take back this government from the deep state that is not having your interest at

heart.

So again, until the next show, this is Bob Barney for The Plain Truth today and

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