Bob Barney | Has MAGA Gone Neocon? (Transcript)

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 Bob Barney  –  Has MAGA gone Neocon?

Hi, Bob Barney with The Plain Truth today, brought to you by theplaintruth.com, and we’re going to have some continuing coverage of this Iranian-United States-Israeli war. Israel is really Judah, not we are really the Israel, but that’s a different subject, and you can go to theplaintruth.com, and you can look up who the United States is in prophecy, and you’ll be surprised if you don’t know the answer to that already. But I want to give some updates, but today’s program is going to be on a little different note.

It’s just what the latest breaking news is, and I want to get to that right now about what really gets me about the so-called America First mega movement that just simply keeps changing like the wind. It’s almost, it’s honestly, it’s almost like listening to idiot Democrats sometimes, and I’ll explain that. When you go around the web and you read, like Daily Mail, you can read the people about each story, or you go to YouTube, or I use a lot of YouTube programming for the Plain Truth Today broadcast, and you read the comments from people who claim to be Trump mega supporters, America First.

And when you read these comments, you have to say, did they believe this just five years ago? Did they really believe these comments? For example, we had to go into Iran 20 years ago. This war is totally justified. Iran has been creating too much instability around the world.

All other presidents just passed the hot potato to the next one, not Donald Trump. He finally did what needs to be done. Here’s another one.

Iran killed 46 Americans in Israel via Hamas, I’m sorry, in Hezbollah. Biden should have acted in 2024, but his brain was mush. Here’s another one.

Thanks, Donald Trump, for he puts America first in everything he does. He’s saving American lives from a threat from Iranian, I’m sorry, nuke missiles. I don’t know, but Iranian don’t have the nuclear bomb yet.

They don’t have nuke missiles and they’re not going to attack America. I have no problem with this war. I’ve told you from the very first thing last Monday, this past Monday, when I said, I’m for the war if we’re going to win it.

I am not for the war if like in the springtime, we’re going to decide we’re going to start negotiating because we’re going to claim victory in four weeks time and do a victory lap and everything else.And a year from now, Iran’s back to where they were because the snake is still alive. And I am fearful that is really what’s happening.

You had Marco Rubio yesterday now trying to backpedal his statement that Israel was going to attack, and that’s why we did. Now he said, I never said that. Well, it’s on tape.

These people lie and lie and lie and lie. But the mega supporters let them off. Here’s another, excuse me.

I’m sorry. Here’s another comment. This is a proud Trump supporter.

I think very few people realize just how much death Iran has exported in the last 50 years. I agree with it. The last 40 years, not 50.

I agree with it wholeheartedly. But this is a person, I guarantee you five years ago was for us getting out of these wars and not attacking anybody. The current campaign will save tens of thousands of lives around the world from these Iranians.

It’s long overdue. And I support the president in this. Another one here said, president has proven to me by attacking Venezuela, which he didn’t really attack, but I don’t see any difference in Venezuela, by the way, except us trying to oil.

As Republican for life, I did not want this war, but Trump’s doing the right thing here. Now that might not be a mega Republican, by the way, because the truth is, I’m going to play a little broadcast here in a minute. Many of your mega, I would say to this day, the majority of your mega supporters who claimed just four or five years ago, they didn’t want forever wars.

They hated the Patriot Act. They hated the idea of malicious prosecutions. They hated the idea ofnot following the constitution.

In the Daily Mail, there was this from a mega supporter. It is stupid. This is what he said.

It is stupid to think that Congress should be able to declare war. It’s a nonsense. Congress today has no ability to stand up for anything good.

It’s up the president to declare war. Well, I did write a comment to that. Well, if that is what youbelieve, mega supporter, then maybe you ought to go for amending the constitution and makingthe president the commander in chief who can declare war at will with anyone that the presidentdeems necessary to attack for the safety of the American public.

In fact, we could make it a constitutional monarchy and turn the presidency into a king and do away with Congress. That’s what you’re saying. Now, you didn’t say this, Mr. Mega, five years ago.

When Biden became president, all of a sudden, we wanted to follow the constitution and the Congress had to be doing this and the constitution had to be followed through the letter of law. Now, all of these people on these commentaries saying the constitution doesn’t really work. Congresses do nothing.

We don’t need Congress to declare war. We need to let President Trump decide what’s best. Not realizing that in 2028, you may have another President Biden type making the same decisions that you want to be done.

Make it into the constitution. Let’s change the constitution. Let’s throw out the Bill of Rights that President Trump don’t even believe in, obviously.

Let’s throw out who declares war. Let’s throw out the idea that a person who is king of a country can named a president can actually personally profit from their office as the presidency. That’s never been done before legally anyway.

Let’s just do this. I have something here I want to play that I think it’s about seven minutes long. It’s titled by Glenn Greenwald, who’s a great, absolute great reporter.

He has been consistent his whole life. He was for Trump in 2017 and what he was doing. He was for Trump in 2024 when he was running for president.

But he’s asking some very good questions. And one of it has, has mega gone full neocon. Now, before I play that, let me explain to those who doesn’t understand what neocon is.

Think of Dick Cheney and George Bush one and George Bush two. That’s a neocon. The neocon are conservatives in name that want to express American will and power throughout the world, change governments, go to war whenever we or they deem necessary to help achieve American dominance throughout the world.

That is a neocon. They are what we used to call in mega, the chicken hawks. They want everybody else’s children to go to war, but they themselves avoided Vietnam.

Dick Cheney and George Bush the second avoided Vietnam and their kids never got drafted. By the way, I noticed that Donald Trump’s son cannot be drafted because he’s too tall. That’s quite convenient.

Donald Trump also did not go to the Vietnam war, by the way, even though he’s sending people to war. But let’s listen to what Glenn Greenwald has to say. All right.

Next question from guinea pigs. Is there any sign of the America first wing of the party rebelling against Lindsey Graham and Marco Rubio for pushing Trump into the usual role of the U.S. president in Venezuela and Ukraine? All the reasons I wanted Trump to win are disappearing fast. I think we have to be a little bit careful not to exonerate Trump by always formulating this as Marco Rubio is pushing him or Israeli, the Israel lobby is pushing him or Trump is a big boy and this is his second term as president.

Trump is not dumb. He’s not an intellect. He’s not the most eloquent speaker, but he’s definitely not dumb.

I do think he was ignorant of the ways of Washington when he first got there, which makes sense. He hadn’t ever been there. I think Obama was as well.

And Obama has been there for four years as senator, really two years as senator, two years running as a candidate, which is nothing. And he got run over by the permanent power of action in Washington. Trump did as well in that first term.

But now Trump’s on his second term. They had four years of an interval between the two to understand it better. I think Trump understands these issues.

I think he’s very much in control. I do think he’s influenced for sure by the advisors he chooses to trust. At the end of the day, we have to though, give Trump either the credit or the criticism for the decisions he makes.

So I just say that as an aside. Now, I am amazed. There was an article yesterday with the headline, Republicans Tear Trump’s policy saying we, quote, have to liberate the people of Venezuela, which is exactly the language used for Vietnam and Iraq.

We have to liberate the Vietnamese. We have to liberate the Iraqis. We have to liberate the Afghan women.

We have to liberate the Libyans. As though we go around the I mean, I understand we’re all subjected to nationalistic propaganda. Everybody in the world is.

I was in Malaysia a few weeks ago. I’m going to talk about that at one point. But one of the things that amazed me that I’d never seen before was in Kuala Lumpur is that every building in the city, I mean, pretty much every building is covered on the exterior with countless massive Malaysian flags.

I don’t mean just one. I mean, like 20. It’s just like I don’t know if it’s nationalistic pride or if it’s kind of just this pressure.

Bob Barney here. It’s not nationalistic pride. It’s propaganda by the government leaders, by the dictators, really, because all these countries really have presidents that are nothing more than dictators.

And it’s really the propaganda of waving the flag to keep the people in line. And it’s what has been done in America for at least 75 years. And Vietnam was the same thing.

It was sold and we had no intentions of winning the war. Just I’m going to continue with this in a minute. I think he’s got some good points, but just wanted to get into one other thing.

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That’s theplaintruth.com. Please go there every day. So what I was going to mention before the commercial break there is back in the Korean War, an undeclared war, the first of many undeclared war, illegal war according to our constitution, which so many mega people want to change now for Donald Trump’s sake. But General MacArthur had a speech before Congress.

And in that speech, the so-called very famous line, old soldiers never die, they just fade away. But he made several points about the new warfare that the United States decided to get into. Undeclared warfare that killed many American lives and wounded and maimed them for no good reason of a conclusion.

He said it is immoral. I’m not quoting him, I’m summarizing. It is immoral to send men and women into combat with no intentions of winning.

And that is what we did in Vietnam. We sent American troops there to be slaughtered by the thousands, 59,000 died, probably that many wounded seriously, more than that wounded mentally. And we had no, our politicians had no intentions of winning that war.

We just wanted to break even and keep the Soviets at bay. Same thing happened in the first Iraq war. The same thing happened in the second Iraq, Afghanistan war under the second Bush.

We go into these battles with no intentions of winning. And that is a, not only is it wrong, it’s a sin against everything God stands for. Because if you’re going to go to war, which General MacArthurrightfully called the greatest sin of mankind, and war is probably the greatest sin of mankind.

If you’re going to go that far, you better go and win it. And you better go win it for a righteous cause and not to profit personally from a conflict that cost many Americans their lives. And I just do not like what I see.

Now, if this war, and I’m praying that this war ends up like I want it to end up. If this war ends up where we finish this fight this time, like we should have done in the spring, and we wipe out the entire military, political, and clerical forces in Iran that has kept its people in captivity and the whole region in slavery of fear of weapons, of nuclear bombs, of missiles coming into their cities. This is what Iran’s done.

There is no reason to negotiate with these people after we kicked their butt. We need to destroy the snake once and for all, like we did Hitler in World War II. No one can say that World War II, we didn’t have a conclusion against Japan and Germany that changed the world forever, because we did.

Did we have that in Vietnam? No, we lost Vietnam to the communists. Did we have that in Korea? No, we have two Koreas today, and it’s never been solved. Korea is a is a hot spot to this day because it was never solved.

Was Iraq solved? No. Was Afghanistan solved? No. And so far, what we have done in Iran has not been solved.

Israel needs to be allowed to destroy all of Hamas and all of Hezbollah. No matter what the whole world says, the United States needs to tell to the Jewish nation of Judah that they call Israel and tell them to wipe out their enemies. That’s the case.

And I’m not a Zionist. I don’t believe Israel is a great country, by the way. I don’t believe that the Jewish people are necessarily God’s people because they’re Jewish.

That’s not the case. They are, many of those are apostate. They all are apostate except JesusChrist, right? So they’re right there.

But I do say they have a right to the same protection and freedom as we do in this country. If we had Canada or Mexico constantly sending rockets in here and blowing up schools and hospitals, I don’t think we would take it very long. We’re threatening to go to Mexico, to Venezuela now, Greenland, to take what we want.

And we’re not allowing Israel to at least protect themselves. But I want to get on with this Glenn Greenwald thing about, it’s very important, about how mega has gone neocon. Coercive political climate, but we’re all subjected to various forms of nationalistic propaganda.

I was impressed by Malaysia in a lot of ways too. I’m going to talk about it at some point. It’s a Muslim majority company, but defies a lot of the stereotypes and expectations that a lot of people like to spread about Muslim majority countries, including Lebanon is another good example that defies those expectations.

But anyway, I’ll get to that at another point. Turkey too. But even though I know that we’re allsubjected to this jingoism, this nationalist propaganda, we kind of have to be to have a society.

It shocks me that anybody actually believes the United States goes around the world and its foreign policy is to liberate people and bring freedom and democracy to them and to banish and consign to the trash heap of history, tyranny and authoritarianism and autocracy. How can anyone believe that? The United States has gone around the world overthrowing democracies, imposing tyrannies. We’ve always supported and continue to support many of the world’s most savage dictatorial regimes.

We only care about one thing. Is the government of the country a government that serves our interests? And if it is, we like them regardless of whether they’re tyrannies or democracies. If they don’t, we hate them regardless of their tyrannies or democracies.

And you can say, yeah, that’s how it should be. There are a lot of people who have a realist view of the world that that’s how it should be. But then don’t go around pretending or trying to mislead others into believing that the relevant metric is whether the United States, whether the government has a democracy and is free or a tyranny and isn’t.

That could not be less relevant to the American government under either party. That’s the pretext. When we want to go to war and we get to go to war against the government we can depict as repressive, that becomes the pretext.

Oh, we’re going to liberate the people. Did we go to Iraq to liberate the people of Iraq? Does anyone actually believe that even though that became a major theme of the reason? Marco Rubio has been obsessed with having the U.S. change the regimes of Cuba and Venezuela for decades. Do you think it’s a coincidence that Marco Rubio wants the U.S. government to change the government of Cuba and that he happens to have this family who came from Cuba? The Cuban community in Miami, when I was growing up, huge numbers of them didn’t speak English because even though some of them were citizens of the United States, they always saw themselves as temporarily here.

They saw themselves as Cuban wanting to go back to Cuba as soon as the U.S. got rid of Castro for them. That’s why they didn’t learn English. Also it was because it’s a very large insulated community so they didn’t really need to learn English.

Their kids mostly learned English and assimilated but they didn’t and that mindset persists to today. It’s just such a bizarre movement that calls itself America First and yet there’s so many people in it who continue to say we have to go fix these countries, liberate these countries. On top of that, the pretext is so laughable.

There’s fentanyl coming from Venezuela. There is no fentanyl coming from Venezuela. Even the drugs that pass through Venezuela, it’s a small percentage of the drugs that enter the United States.

This is not why we’re going to fix the government of Venezuela. The United States had a very close ally in Colombia for decades, right-wing allies, and it never stopped the flow of drugs from Colombia to the United States. You cannot defeat militarily the flow of drugs, the demand for drugs, the supply of drugs.

It’s too profitable. It’s too easy. We’ve been waging this war on drugs like the war on terror for many decades.

It’s destroyed civil liberties. It’s led to massive increases in law enforcement, federal law enforcement, and there is no interruption in the flow of drugs. The way you defeat drugs is on the supply end by creating a society where people don’t need drugs, by giving counseling and resources to people who are suffering from addiction.

I think the bigger question is not where drugs come from, but why are there so many people in the United States who need drugs, who depend on drugs, who want drugs, who have become addicts? And I will just end it on this note, which is that polls keep showing that people believe they want to stop these wars. They want to stop these regime change wars. That was a major plank of Donald Trump’s campaign was to stop regime change wars, was to stop endless wars.

And now we’re right back in them. In 10 months, Trump bombed Yemen. He bombed Iran.

He’s funding and fueling the war in Israel. Hopefully that has stopped, but he’s, of course, still going to fund and arm Israel. He’s funding still the war in Ukraine, drawing down on the congressional authorization from last year with billions of dollars in arms to Ukraine, trying to end the war, but no one’s forcing him to continue to arm Ukraine.

And now he just has a new war that nobody asked for, other than Venezuelans and Cubans and the immigrants from those regions, like Marco Rubio. Nobody in the Maca movement was saying, we want a regime change war in Europe and Venezuela. In fact, the idea was we’re going to go bomb the drug cartels in Mexico.

We’re not bombing the drug cartels in Mexico. Instead, Trump’s like, yeah, we’re going to go bomb Venezuela. And everyone’s like, yeah, the commies, Maduro, drugs.

I mean, it is remarkably alarming how easy it is to sell a new war to people who spent so long claiming they didn’t want anymore. And I think that’s what we’re seeing in Venezuela. And I think the fact that people like Marco Rubio are from the region is definitely a factor, just one factor, but a factor in why that’s all happening.

You know, what he said there, I disagree, by the way, but I do like and admire Mr. Greenwald, and he has a right to a good opinion, and his opinion is not to be involved in any foreign wars. I think when you’re a superpower, you have to be involved in foreign wars, and you have to be a little bit what the neocons were for, even what the first and second Bush was for. You can’t do it at the expense of the Patriot Act.

You can’t do it at the expense of freedom. You can’t do it at the expense of the Constitution and in our Congress. You can’t do it and decide that your presidency is going to be a dictatorship as it was basically under George Bush II, Barack Obama.

I don’t think the first Trump administration, but definitely this Trump administration, he thinks he’s a dictator. He put a damn gold statue of himself in Miami. I mean, Nebuchadnezzar here.

And Biden was a total dictator. I don’t know if he was. I don’t know if he had to wear it all to be dictator, but those people that ran the White House around him, maybe his wife, they definitely wanted to be considered a monarch for life.

And this is the problem. The problem I do not have is I do not have the problem with Donald Trump. You may think I do.

I have the problem with the people who say they supported him for X, Y, and Z, and X, Y, and Z was stop being a neocon. Stop doing what George Bush did. Stop doing what Obama did.

Stop spying on people. Stop using the Patriot Act. Don’t allow foreigners to run across the border, which he stopped.

Get rid of illegal aliens that do criminal things against Americans, and which he has not really done. He’s just gotten rid of the Jose and Maria, who was trying to clean your house or mow your lawn. And probably the most important thing that he hasn’t done, and nobody cares about it.

I don’t know why nobody cares about it, but we know for a fact, there are thousands of sleeper cells, Iranian terrorist sleeper cells in every major city in the United States, and probably in every major town in every major state in the United States, probably in every state. And these sleeper cells haven’t, I don’t know of one in the last year of ICE movement against, like I said, Juan and Maria. I don’t know of one sleeper cell that has been discovered and broken up by the FBI or ICE.

Do you? Have you ever heard of it? And yet that was so important to the mega folks, to the America first folks, when Biden was allowing these terrorists by the hundreds, maybe by the thousands to cross the Mexican border without being stopped. And everybody said, this was a disaster for America. These people are going to attack America.

They’re going to kill American citizens. They’re going to go into our schools and blow them up. They’re going to do all kinds of problems at the behest of the Iranian government or Hezbollah or Hamas.

Do you remember when mega stood against these sleeper cells? How are we going to have to root them out? You remember Donald Trump promising that when he became president, he was going to make sure that we deported the criminal illegal aliens and that we were going to go after the gangs and we were going to go after the sleeper cells. Well, there’s not been one sleeper cell out of maybe a thousand, maybe 1,500 they say of sleeper cells in America. There hasn’t been one sleeper cell, not one that’s been busted up by this ice or by the FBI.

And if you don’t have a problem with that, then I have a problem with you. I have a problem that you’re going to follow Donald Trump into hell and never question what you’re doing. This is when you put a man above God, which is blasphemy.

I’m sorry. Well, I guess technically it’s not blasphemy because blasphemy is saying you are God, but maybe we have somebody now who thinks he’s going to be God. We have to stand for the same principles consistently, no matter if our guy or girl changes or not, we need to call them out.

And the problem is there is maybe 5%, maybe 5% of the people who consider themselves American first, who is now calling out a president who is not doing what he said he would be doing. Manufacturing jobs, for example, I point this out about the tariffs, manufacturing jobs in America has decreased every month since he has been president. Yeah, he said the tariffs were to save American jobs.

Yeah, American manufacturing has lost jobs every month. Think about that. And yeah, everybody says we’re winning.

You listen to the mega people. Donald Trump is winning. He’s the greatest thing that everhappened.

The economy is great. Well, gas just went up 40 cents in two days. I’m in Florida.

I said we were doing these shows from Florida for business. In two days, gas went from 289 to 339. And I think this morning my wife just told me it was 349.

So that would be 50 cents in two days. And everybody, I go to Facebook and people say, oh, gas is only $2.25 where I live. It’s a lie.

These people either believe the lie or they’re just propaganda people from the Trump administration trying to tell you something that’s just absolutely not true. There is nowhere in America that gas is $2.25 a gallon. As someone wrote on Facebook in Chattanooga, Tennessee,that gas was $2.25 a gallon.

All you got to do is go to any good website, search engine and put in prices of gas in Chattanooga. And at the time it was $2.79. And these people are as blind and as stupid as any liberal moron that we used to make fun of. There was a time when if you were a conservative and you were, and more importantly than just being a conservative, because there were liberals that were America first.

FDR was a liberal, but he was America first. Do you know in World War II, there was no American soldier under the command of anybody but an American commander. Eisenhower, MacArthur were placed in charge of all allies.

No British person, Montgomery wasn’t put there. Yes, FDR was a liberal. Some people think he’s a communist, but he was America first.

And so my point to you is what happened to the America first people who said they were conservative, who said they wanted to do things. And when Trump does what George Bush and Barack Obama has done, they have nothing wrong with it. As a matter of fact, I find it amazing when you have people actually say in comments, well, of course, Donald Trump has a right to do it.

Nobody cared when Barack Obama did it. Nobody cared when George Bush did it. Nobody cared when Biden did it.

Well, they used to care when those people did it. Did they not? Now because they did it, it’s okay for us to do it. Does that make sense? Well, that’s my rant for the day.

I’m sorry, but this bothers me. It bothers me to no end that we’ve lost both the left and the right have now both become mindless robots to a cause that is not good for America. Well, this is Bob Barney for the Plain Truth today.

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